Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12089; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:48:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11985; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM (THOR.INNOSOFT.COM [192.160.253.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11973; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elwood.innosoft.com ("port 36925"@ELWOOD.INNOSOFT.COM) by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3049) with SMTP id <01J0JW1I5XCK8WW6HA@INNOSOFT.COM> for drums@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:47:03 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: DRUMS WG Chair Subject: Re: serious VRFY ambiguity In-reply-to: <19980812124153.12832.qmail@cr.yp.to> To: Detailed Revision/Update of Message Standards Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Originator-Info: login-id=chris; server=THOR.INNOSOFT.COM On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, D. J. Bernstein wrote: > Why doesn't Klensin just make a clear statement that an implementation > is permitted to always return 252 to VRFY? At the June 1996 DRUMS meeting, there was a clear concensus to leave VRFY as a MUST implement feature. One justification behind this concensus was the observation that verify is important for debugging network problems, so it's important that all implementations include real support for VRFY. So I'd interpret the "MUST implement" as "MAY generate 252 for all VRFY requests by default, but MUST be configurable to provide real VRFY support (so interoperability/functionality problems can be debugged)." VRFY&EXPN were discussed at the following DRUMS meetings: December 95 March 96 June 96 August 97 and perhaps a couple others I don't have the minutes handy. It will not be discussed at this meeting unless someone proposes specific clarifying language which matches previous rough concensus. In scanning the minutes I noticed that there was desire to clarify the distinction between VRFY & EXPN functionality. I'd like to request the people expressing that concern make sure the current SMTP draft is sufficient in this area. - DRUMS WG Chair