Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19569; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:59:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19430; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19314; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26145; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from motorcity2.lotus.com (motorcity2.lotus.com [9.95.19.177]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18175; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by motorcity2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256664.006DFC79 ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:01:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NOTES@ALPHABETA Reply-To: shelness@lotus.com To: "D. J. Bernstein" cc: iesg@ietf.org, drums@cs.utk.edu, ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: <85256664.006DFC3D.00@motorcity2.lotus.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:58:22 +0100 Subject: Re: DRUMS management versus implementors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Dan, You write. > The bottom line is simple: Newman and Klensin are literally out of > control. Klensin is using his position as document editor to make > controversial changes, and Newman is shielding him. The rest of us have > no way to stop him---no matter how unpopular his views are! Both John Klensin and Chris Newman are respected members of the Internet community. I see no evidence that they are out of control. I, on the other hand, see a great deal of evidence that you are out of control, and have been for some time. I'm sure I will now be showered in vitriol, as is your normal style. So be it. Nick Shelness Chief Technology Officer Lotus Development Corp.