Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15089; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:43:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14991; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from koobera.math.uic.edu (IDENT:qmailr@koobera.math.uic.edu [131.193.178.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14978; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4726 invoked by uid 666); 19 Feb 1999 07:43:54 -0000 Date: 19 Feb 1999 07:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990219074354.4724.qmail@cr.yp.to> From: "D. J. Bernstein" To: drums@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: editing status of 821bis, draft -10. References: <19990217221927.26450.qmail@cr.yp.to> <199902182340.SAA08622@lorax.whoville.leftbank.com> List-Unsubscribe: How about this: A client MUST NOT attempt to send mail to a server without authorization. There are several common forms of authorization: * ``domain MX server'' in DNS constitutes public authorization to send mail for that domain to that server. (It is the responsibility of the domain owner to obtain permission from the server owner before setting up DNS records mentioning that server.) * ``domain A server'' in DNS constitutes public authorization to send mail for that domain to that host _if_ there are no MX records for the domain. * A typical Internet service provider sets up one or more servers and informs its customers that they may use those servers to relay outgoing mail to any domain. This is not an exclusive list. Ofer Inbar writes: > Some people believed these rules should be separate > from the SMTP protocol. Modularity is a good thing. SMTP is used in many contexts other than TCP connections to MX->A port 25; Klensin's draft makes it unnecessarily difficult to describe those contexts. This is not a new observation. > One person brought up the "as if" rule to justify this position No. That was a response to ``clients aren't required to use MX records but have to know how.'' (Paraphrased.) ---Dan