Subject: [p2p-hackers] RE: Welcome to the "p2p-hackers" mailing list (Digest mode)

From: p2p-hackers@zgp.org (ricardo montoya) · Date: Wed Jul 3 12:15:01 2002

Thank you so much for the latest report,  as a matter of fact I was
beginning to wander how come such a powerful hacker community was being
left over with bread crumbles by the recording industry, all this p2p
stuff began by hackers and should be decentralize so there is no foul
up, most everybody agrees the internet was, is and will be peoples
property, not of whoever or whomsoever looking for more ways to enrich
themselves, these companies do not want to listen,this could have been
avoided, all of this mess, by simply lowering CD prices, instead of,
they sued none faulty parties, raised prices of it, claiming loses on
sales and forcing everybody to repay for their business ineptitud, they
forgot customers (Uhmp, that's us) make them rich and believe me they
will pay the price. To finish let me remember some of the words of
Abraham Lincoln: "You Can't fool the people all the time".
Ricardo montoya
p.s.: hackers all the world "get to work, c'mon!, I needed that P2P
software on my desk YESTERDAY" 

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From: p2p-hackers-admin@zgp.org [mailto:p2p-hackers-admin@zgp.org] On 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:41 PM
To: rikdmont@attbi.com
Subject: Welcome to the "p2p-hackers" mailing list (Digest mode)

Welcome to the p2p-hackers@zgp.org mailing list!  At the first O'Reilly
Peer-to-Peer Conference in San Francisco in February of 2001, I had
the pleasure of meeting and talking to hackers who were actively
working on peer to peer systems.

The first thing I learned is that we had different words for many
similar or identical concepts.   Much of the early conversation was
simply trying to understand what the other was saying despite
different terminology.

The second thing I learned  (thanks especially to Wes Felter's
presentation), was that different p2p designers had made different
architectural decisions on a few key points, and had never looked back
after that early architectural decision.

The third thing I learned  (thanks especially to Branden Wiley and
Serguei Osokino, and Wes Felter again) is that interoperability
between different p2p file-sharing networks looks like an easier hack
than I would have guessed.

So here is a mailing list which I hope will continue the noble
tradition of fraternization among p2p hackers.   I would like to
continue the process we've begun of generating common terminology, a
common architectural taxonomy, and just "nuts and bolts" engineering
chit-chat about things that are important to all of us, for example
TCP vs. HTTP (vs. UDP?), MD5 vs. SHA1 (just don't use MD5!), bundled
meta-data vs.  referenced meta-data, and probably a thousand other
important and interesting details.

Mailing lists are living things, and I expect that I  (or someone else)
will have to replace this welcome message as soon as we evolve away
from these initial ideas.

Don Marti and myself  are the List Maintainers, and we are using his
scheme of requiring approved registration. 

The initial invite list is a bunch of hackers who have specific
expertise and experience in p2p engineering,  and who expressed
interest in this list.  Feel free to invite others that you know who
can contribute to this list.

Regards,

Zooko

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